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COPERNICO84


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Spedito: mer, 17 ottobre 2007 14:19
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Ciao a tutti, poichè in italiano non esistono guide o tutorial che approfondiscono l'argomento truffe, vorrei iniziare io con qualche consiglio a tutti gli appassionati di auto, e in particolare della Delorean, per aprire gli occhi a tutti quanti e per far capire al meglio che spesso vi sono annunci di vendita a prezzi ridicoli che nascondono truffe o manovre per aggirare gli appassionati veri come voi.

1. Attenzione ai prezzi troppo bassi:

Capita su ebay di trovare Delorean a prezzo di partenza di 4000$,e con "compralo subito" a 7000$...

7000$ sono circa 5000, i casi per la vendita ad un prezzo del genere sono 2.

o è un rottame: auto senza motore, totalmente da ripristinare o per pezzi di ricambio

o è una truffa.

Ho provato a contattare diversi venditori, dopo un paio di email quando gli fai la fatidica domanda "COME MAI LA VENDI A COSI' POCO"...

spariscono e non rispondono più.

Spesso cammuffano l'inserzione su ebay, con un link diretto alla loro email, di modo che ebay ci metta un paio di giorni per scovarli e cancellargli l'inserzione fasulla.

2. Motivazioni inutili o drammatiche

Un ipotetico venditore cede la sua dmc a 5000$ in perfette condizioni perchè la figlia è malata, deve traslocare in fretta, ha scoperto che la moglie è in realtà un trans....(joke :\) ) , molto spesso si tratta di truffe, dove viene richiesto un pagamento veloce, è il prezzo è giustificato da una brutta situazione....ATTENZIONE al 95% è una truffa.

3. PAGAMENTI

MAI utilizzare Moneygram o similari (money transfer ecc..) sono servizi nati per poter inviare soldi dall'altra parte del mondo in poco tempo, ma in caso di truffa non avete nessuna traccia per poter dire che avete inviato questi soldi a tal persona (anche se avete nome e cognome), molto spesso creano account inesistenti ed è come se voi non avete pagato nulla...SI SCONSIGLIANO QUESTO TIPO DI PAGAMENTI, meglio Paypal ma meglio ancora BONIFICO BANCARIO INTERNAZIONALE dove vi servono le coordinate bancarie e i dati del venditore, lì vengono lasciate molte tracce, inoltre se pagate con ebay c'è la protezione fino a 20.000$, fate comunque attenzione.

4. Ti pago tutte le spese.

Mi è capitato spesso di trovare venditori che si spacciassero per militari o venditori internazionali che oltre ad offrire l'auto (INESISTENTE) si occupavano di pagare TUTTE LE SPESE per portarla dagli USA in europa...
Una volta uno mi aveva addirittura detto che poteva spedire l'auto in francia, con un container militare (con cui non pagava nulla) e poi dalla francia all'italia con circa 200 euro e avrebbero porta l'auto fino a casa tua.
Ovviamente è una truffa.


ULTIMO CONSIGLIO...

Diffidate dei venditori poco chiari, cercate di trovare il giusto compromesso per il vostro acquisto, affidatevi ad un agenzia se acquistate in Usa, cercate di raccogliere maggiori info possibili sul venditore, controllate il vin, chiedete info a chi ne sa' piu' di voi.


________________________
GRANDE GIOVE!!!..
:-\)

1983 Delorean DMC-12 Vin 16700 manual - grey interiors - totally original
:-\)
*Daily dream car: Delorean Dmc 12
*Daily Driver: '96 Mitsubishi Eclipse 1° generation http://www.cardomain.com/ride//1 (my daily driver)
*Past: '98 honda civic - '92 Lamborghini Diablo (1:21 scale) :\)

( Strade? dove stiamo andando non c'è bisogno di strade!! )

COPERNICO84


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Iscritto: 13 gen 2006
Spedito: mar, 30 ottobre 2007 17:53
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Questa è la guida in inglese che capita spesso di incrociare su ebay...per che non l'avesse ancora letta, è molto interessante.

BUYING A DELOREAN CAR

The earliest DeLorean cars are now 25 years old, and they remain well known primarily because
of the "Back to the Future" connection. However, many people don't know that there were more
than 9000 manufactured from 1981-1983 just outside Belfast, Northern Ireland.

How to Tell One from Another?
The Vehicle Identification Number (VIN) is a good number to know when comparing cars. The
last eight digits of the VIN are the car's "serial" number. The higher the number, the later in
production the car was built. There were 6700 cars built in 1981 (last five of VIN BD000500-
BD007199), and the 82 models started with VIN CD010000. 1983 models began with DD015000,
DD016000, DD017000 and DD020000. Actual production numbers for 1982 and 1983 models are
unclear, but appear to be approximately evenly split between the two years.

Minor styling differences include hood style, exhaust and antenna location, but the only way to
accurately ascertain the model year is to know the VIN.

The cars only had two factory optional choices - interior color and transmission type. Grey or
black interiors and either a 3-speed automatic or five-speed manual transmission were the only
factory options available. There were several dealer options available including two different side
stripes, a luggage rack, ski rack adapter, fitted sheepskin seat covers, and a fitted car cover.

Where to get Parts and Service or more information?
In spite of being out of production for since 1983, parts are readily available and relatively
inexpensive when compared to comparable cars of its era. When the factory closed, all the
remaining parts were shipped to the United States along with some tooling and a full set of
engineering drawings. Though it has no connection to the original DMC, the DeLorean Motor
Company (Texas) located in the Houston, Texas suburb of Humble now holds the rights to the
name and logo and all these remaining parts, tooling and drawings. In addition to selling parts to
owners and service centers worldwide, this company also does service, restoration, the sale of
cars and develops new and reproduction parts.

Additional DeLorean-specific service centers are located in South Florida, the Chicago area,
Southern California, Seattle and New York. International locations include the United Kingdom and
Amsterdam. More DeLorean service centers are expected to open in 2007.

Beware of internet-only parts sellers who claim to sell "DeLorean parts". In many cases these are
sometimes less than correct "cross references" which may or may not be suitable for use in a
DeLorean.

Typing "delorean" at you favorite search engine is a good place to start when looking for parts,
service and more DeLorean information.

How much should a DeLorean cost?
Remember that in 1981, the car sold for $25,000 or more. It was compared against cars like the
Porsche 911, 928, Ferrari 308, Maserati Merak, and Corvette. The car was expensive for the day,
and a good quality DeLorean, with a good service history, still holds close to the same value
today. Interestingly, the same CANNOT be said for the other cars, all of which have just a fraction
of their original selling price today.

The "rule of thumb" in the DeLorean community today is that it takes about $25,000 to have a
good running, reliable, nice looking "daily driver" (or weekend pleasure vehicle). Many DeLoreans
on Ebay sell for less than that, which means that you, as the buyer, will get to make up for the
deferred maintenance the previous owner(s) failed to complete.

The "quality and quantity" of the recent service history is most important, and that means that
correct parts were used and installed by someone who knows what they are doing. If documentation
doesn't exist, assume it didn't happen and you will end up doing it.

What does that mean, exactly? Let's work backwards to answer that - RECENT service history
means verifiable records of service within the last 12-24 months, depending on what has been done.
As a rule, if there are no records to indicate what has been done, it's the same as if it hasn't been done.

QUANTITY means what has been done to the car - a "tune-up" is more than just plugs and wires,
and a fuel tank service is more than a fuel pump and filter. Cooling system updates means more than
a couple of hoses and clamps. This, again, is where documentation is of paramount importance.
If you can't verify what has been done, assume that it hasn't.

QUALITY means that what has been done has been done by (a) someone who knows what they
are doing (usually a reputable service facility with significant DeLorean experience) and (b) using the
correct parts and not necessarily aftermarket or cross-reference "make-do" parts. This is verified by
the documentation that should, at a minimum, be available for inspection prior to purchase and
preferably come with the car.

What kind of engine is it?
All DeLorean's came from the factory with a 2.8 liter, all-aluminum V-6 engine putting out 130hp,
manufactured jointly by Peugeot, Renault and Volvo hence the PRV designation. Generally a
very reliable engine, it is not unusual to see well-maintained DeLoreans that have 100,000 or
more miles. The key to long life of the PRV engine is a well-maintained cooling system and
regular oil changes.

Though the original DMC was developing both a single and twin turbo option for the DeLorean,
neither reached production, and only a handful of prototypes were built and these are well-
documented and known. There were a handful of aftermarket turbo options, both single and twin,
but unless engine internals are also improved, they are usually limited to 5-7 pounds of boost.

The DeLorean Motor Company (Texas) has created an improved performance version of the
stock engine, creating 197hp, by replacing the camshafts, heads, exhaust system and upgraded
ignition components. This option is available as either a complete, new engine, or owners can
send their car to one of the DMC locations to be installed on their existing, good condition engine.

What can I expect to have to do to a DeLorean?
It's not unusual to find very low mileage DeLoreans, and while in some cases this merits a
premium price, that should only be the case if extensive service has been completed, and is documented
as discussed above. What's more common with low mileage DeLoreans that have been stored
for years throughout their past is fuel tank contamination. Old fuel destroys rubber components in
the fuel tank and if improperly treated can wreak havoc with the entire fuel injection system (and the
owner's wallet).

Low mileage cars are often still running on the original tires, belts, hoses, radiators - sometimes
even the original 25 year old coolant, hydraulic fluid (in the brake system, and clutch system on
manual transmission cars) which means that to have a good running, reliable car all this will need
attention plus the cosmetics that might need attention, as well.

John DeLorean's idea was that anything you can see, touch or feel on the car should be unique
to the car. Coming on the heels of the failed Bricklin, which was maligned for its kit car feel, DMC
had many of these visible items created especially for them. Conversely, DMC used many "off the
shelf" components for things like drivetrain, heating and air conditioning, and brakes, which
means that current owners can still get original specification parts that are newly manufactured
from DeLorean service centers around the world.

The parts of the car that are "unique" include things like seats, headliners, dashboard, instrument
clusters, switches, stainless panels and other interior and exterior trim. However, nearly all of
these items are still available, reasonably priced, as either NOS (new old stock, original 25 year
old parts from the factory/suppliers) or reproduction parts created (or improved upon) from the
original drawings.

Again, parts are readily available, along with all the factory service publications (no Haynes or
Chilton's for this low-volume car) so the mechanically inclined should be able to fix the cars
properly. If you don't have the skill set to do the work, refer to the mentions above of the
DeLorean-specific service centers in the US and abroad.

What about painted DeLoreans?
All DeLoreans left the factory in bare stainless steel - there were no factory painted cars - and
while records exist that seem to indicate as many as three cars were painted by DMC here in the
states, no records have surfaced to say WHICH three cars. Beware of anyone stating that his or
her car was painted at the factory or at the direction of John DeLorean - ask for documentation.

In some cases, DeLoreans were painted as it was cheaper to paint than replace or properly repair
the stainless panels. If considering a painted car, it's best to have the car examined by someone
experienced with paint and bodywork to look for evidence of repair.

Keep in mind that, on average, a painted DeLorean is worth up to 20-30% LESS than an
unpainted, stainless DeLorean. It can, though, cost several thousand dollars to return the brushed
stainless finish to a painted DeLorean if you want a stainless finish, you're usually better off
ahead to buy a unpainted DeLorean than attempt to strip and re-grain the panels on a painted
one.
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Contributed by James Espey, author of "The Illustrated DeLorean Buyer's Guide".
________________________
GRANDE GIOVE!!!..
:-\)

1983 Delorean DMC-12 Vin 16700 manual - grey interiors - totally original
:-\)
*Daily dream car: Delorean Dmc 12
*Daily Driver: '96 Mitsubishi Eclipse 1° generation http://www.cardomain.com/ride//1 (my daily driver)
*Past: '98 honda civic - '92 Lamborghini Diablo (1:21 scale) :\)

( Strade? dove stiamo andando non c'è bisogno di strade!! )

Pegasus80


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Iscritto: 31 ago 2007
Spedito: lun, 5 novembre 2007 15:34
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a me è successo con edrokus, che era un ladro, meno male che u nproprietario dmc che vive in florida mi ha bloccato subito, altrimenti sarei rimasto fregato :\(
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"L'impianto? Ah, a proposito, non ti attaccare all'amplificatore. C'è una vaga possibilità di sovraccarico".
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"Proprietario DMC 12 VIN 7138 località Brindisi"

COPERNICO84


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Spedito: dom, 18 novembre 2007 16:48
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Io direi di scrivere qui tutte le esperienze negative come ho fatto io, così possiamo aprire gli occhi a coloro che vogliono buttarsi nell'avventura di acquisto di una Delorean :D
________________________
GRANDE GIOVE!!!..
:-\)

1983 Delorean DMC-12 Vin 16700 manual - grey interiors - totally original
:-\)
*Daily dream car: Delorean Dmc 12
*Daily Driver: '96 Mitsubishi Eclipse 1° generation http://www.cardomain.com/ride//1 (my daily driver)
*Past: '98 honda civic - '92 Lamborghini Diablo (1:21 scale) :\)

( Strade? dove stiamo andando non c'è bisogno di strade!! )
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